I recently read a news story where the financial guru, Suze Orman, claims to be a virgin as she has never been with a man. Suze is a confirmed lesbian and evidently believes that lesbian sexual practices do not constitute a loss of virginity.I really don't want this construed as anti-lesbian but I am reminded of the line quoted by Jack Nicholson in the movie, 'Goin' South'. " You can always tell a virgin by the whites of her eyes. It's because she is out of tune with nature. I don't mean to put callouses on my hand pattin' myself on the back but I have put a few women in tune with nature. "
Although she might have a point, I disagree with Suze Orman on the fact that she is a virgin. The old definition of penis in vagina sex as the only loss of virginity is just a little trite in today's world. Just because a gal has only licked, sucked, fingered, or fisted doesn't make her a virgin, it just proves the old maxim, different strokes for different strokes.
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hmmm Virginity is a matter of the mind anyways :)
Keshi.
Hot, hot, hot...oh wait never mind.
Yeah, I think you can extend loss-of-virginity to anything where you get off because of physical contact with another person. I guess masturbation by another person woudl fall into this category, so maybe it needs revising.
Fisting? Oh my...
This is a good question Fuzz. I always considered a virgin someone who hadnt lost their hymen ( I think thats what its called..lol). So I guess if you still have it you are a virgin and maybe old Suze still is intact. Im sure lesbians could have sex without breaking the hymen. As long as the hymen is intact I would call it foreplay....not actual sexual relations and technically she would still be a virgin. You can "get off" without losing your virginity. Geeze....who am I, DR Sue?????? LMAO.
Just because she's never been with a man doesn't mean she's a virgin. I'm with you on this one. You mean to tell me that she's never has a dildo or a strap on pushed inside of her? Come on.......
*Ewww. I just got the visual of that happening to her.*
*shudder*
Did someone say fisting?
I think this is one of those topics where noone is ever right, and basically to each their own. If breaking your hymen means you're no longer a virgin, then a bicycle took mine when I was 8 or so.
I don't want to even think about Suze Orman fisting. Or being fisted. Or whatever...
Yuck!
She is not a vigin at all. Stupid woman.
I think Catch has it right from a literal perspective.
From a wider view, who really cares? I mean, I've heard of people (saying that they are) becoming "born-again virgins," which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard ... so what does it mean, anyway?
-- david
I always thought virginity had to do with the innocence of sex--and that once a chick has been penetrated by any means, it's gone.
keshi: Is that what is meant by Mindfreak. ;)
gerald: That is a pretty good definition.
catch: Dr. Sue's the shit!!!
mike: A visual worth a thousand shudders.
red: The breaking of the hymen is the traditional things but as you proved it really means shit as far as a true definition. I think all the new plastic surgerys to make a new hymen on women for various reasons are just weird.
phoenix: Not a pretty visual at all.
pixie: That just about says it all.
david: I really don't know. I suppose virginity is in the eye of the beholder.
angel, jr: That definition works for me.
uh....er...um...ah...geez..does anyone really care if she is a virgin or not?...what a thing to share with the world..susie wong...
hey fuzz
first I must tell you I had to do a search on fisting-I did not know what it meant.I have seen the fingernails on some women and I think...ouch! Diff strokes, but if I use my fist it will be to punch someone out. I am not not sure about the virgin thing, but sometimes if I go "with out" for a week or more I feel the cobwebs growing. I also lost my viginity on a Schwinn. But I did have my first orgasm leaning my chair back and pushing my beauty against the desk in the second grade. 8)
I do not bother myself with others sex preferences, but I am sure that goat fucking will get you arrested.
you take care fuzz
granny: It wasn't the brightest thing to share with the world.
ez: I bet that was one eye opening search.
To each their own...and what purpose did her announcement make other than have lots of people talking about her...bad publicity is better than no publicity.
And ez if fuckin a goat will get you arrested, then there are lots of guys in the outback here that should be arrested...goats usually get the young fellows virginity.
Im cracking up...EZ and the Ol lady always crack me up..as Im sure they do you. lol. Im sure that goat f@@king is not a good thing to do...but I have only heard of men doing it with sheep...you know how sometimes the farmer walks by and the sheep goes...daaa daaaa.
I'm with Granny (not that way you perv) who cares? Now as for being a lesbian...sweet. Of course I had to google to see who the hell she was...
You're kidding she really said this! That is fing classic man
The meaning of virginity is:
–noun
1. the state or condition of being a virgin.
2. the state or condition of being pure, fresh, or unused.
3. Informal. any naive, uninitiated, or uninformed state.
I totally agree with you.
Have a good day!
Love #2 on Leigh's comment. (Hi, Leigh!)
Well, shit, I can be a virgin again! Damn, how come I never knew that? That means my stretch marks will disappear, right?
ol' lady: There is an oft repeated phrase for various locales. Where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. Baad stuff.
catch: It is perfectly acceptable around here to go ahead and spell out fuck. Kick your shoes off and feel at home.
ozy: Hope you enjoyed your search. Did you type in famous lesbians? That's a fun one.
phats: Classic indeed!!!
leigh: Thanks for the definitions. I doubt that she would qualify. Hope everything is going well.
green eyes: If unused is one of the definitions, then I could count.
Sure she's a virgin....but only because the idea of her and her runaway bride style crazy eyes having sex with anyone makes me vaguely ill.
I'm with you on this one Fuzz. I'm of a mind that if someone is actively seeking sex with another person then virginity ends with the act, no matter what body parts are involved.
I mean, if you follow Suze's logic... if you only give head to someone other than your spouse then is it not cheating?
I have given this some thought....I had a hysterectomy and haven't had sex since then...does that make me a virgin again???
I agree with you about the virginity. This whole issue reminds me of a girl I went to church with in high school whose boyfriend stuck it in her butt to keep her virginity - laughable. Virginity is about purity - not about what's been in what hole.
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